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he raised taxes on the democrats promised him $2 in spending cuts for every dollar in new taxes. george bush is still waitin for those $2 in spending cuts. now the present is saying to live in give you two and a half to one. it's time the democrats and the president stepped up and cut spding. gerri: to that point. want you to respond to what the white house had to say in response to the republicans offer and then go to michael's point about what you will actually get latr. here is what dan pfeiffer said. it promises to lower rates for the wealthy and stickhe middle-claas with the bill. we could do it pinocchio test. is that true or false? >> completely false. they want to keeall the race the same. now lower than for anybody. and maintaining the status quo on rates. the deductns are actually targeted for upper-ince people. the dmocrats, the white house, some left wing groups that on behalff the white house imagined how they would design the republican plan and then they attack it. dishonest during the ampaign, and the president is still running a political capaign. he's been all o
he raised taxes on the democrats promised him $2 in spending cuts for every dollar in new taxes. george bush is still waitin for those $2 in spending cuts. now the present is saying to live in give you two and a half to one. it's time the democrats and the president stepped up and cut spding. gerri: to that point. want you to respond to what the white house had to say in response to the republicans offer and then go to michael's point about what you will actually get latr. here is what dan...
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, more tax revenue? the president responded, high-end tax cuts do the least for economic growth and cost almost $ 1 trillion. extending middle class cuts boosts consumer demand and growth. the white house released a video today showing how president obama has been consistent on his message throughout the last couple of years. it was central to his campaign. >> we need to give tax relief to working families trying to raise their kids to keep them healthy, send them to college, keep a roof over their heads. that's the choice in this election. that's one of the reasons i'm running for a second term as president. >> how quickly we forget. in the words of secretary timothy geithner, this is why republicans have no choice but accepting the tax increases on the wealthiest americans. >> why does it make sense for the country to force tax increases on all americans because a small group of republicans want to extend for 2% of americans? why does that make any sense. there's no reason why that should happen. we ca
, more tax revenue? the president responded, high-end tax cuts do the least for economic growth and cost almost $ 1 trillion. extending middle class cuts boosts consumer demand and growth. the white house released a video today showing how president obama has been consistent on his message throughout the last couple of years. it was central to his campaign. >> we need to give tax relief to working families trying to raise their kids to keep them healthy, send them to college, keep a roof...
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republicans have to realize they have to cave on tax rates. the only question is what to get in return. they should demand the year 2013 will be spent putting together a pro-growth and entitlement reform package to put this country on a sound financial footing through 2040. i want to show you what ishg sken boles said. he said while i'm flattered he calls it the bowles plan, it does not represent the simpson-boles plpla plan. >> i almost always agree with brooks. i think serious tax reform has to be the next phase. i hope there's a commitment to it. you know, backing up on the revenue and what republicans need to do, i think the approach that republicans are saying is if there's a number, there are ways to get -- a variety of ways to get to the number. we want to get to a number and do it in a way to stimulate the economy and encourage growth. so there's just lots of ways of getting to a number, and it doesn't have to be that top marginal rate. you can do it through closing of loopholes and capital gains and a number of different ways to do it
republicans have to realize they have to cave on tax rates. the only question is what to get in return. they should demand the year 2013 will be spent putting together a pro-growth and entitlement reform package to put this country on a sound financial footing through 2040. i want to show you what ishg sken boles said. he said while i'm flattered he calls it the bowles plan, it does not represent the simpson-boles plpla plan. >> i almost always agree with brooks. i think serious tax...
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earners will pay some minimum tax, automatically a minute tax. they have some additional taxes. they want to get rid of capital gains tax that benefitted mitt romney. it's a different arrangement but a more progressive tax. >> bill, interestingly their plan suggests that tax increases should start at $422,000 instead of $250,000 that the president has set. why would that make such a difference or not so much of a difference in circumstances? >> well, martin, it would obviously hit fewer people. you know -- >> and therefore, produce less revenue. >> produce less revenue but at higher rates potentially than the president is talking about. i mean, you know, the thing is even though we feel like we are constantly hearing from bob rubin and larry somers and roger altman, a little bit of a bad penny -- >> you have heard this before. >> on the other hand, they were absolutely right. even bill krystal agrees with them. the economy boomed during the middle of the clinton two administrations when the high tax rate was at 39.6%. we had a huge expansion of p
earners will pay some minimum tax, automatically a minute tax. they have some additional taxes. they want to get rid of capital gains tax that benefitted mitt romney. it's a different arrangement but a more progressive tax. >> bill, interestingly their plan suggests that tax increases should start at $422,000 instead of $250,000 that the president has set. why would that make such a difference or not so much of a difference in circumstances? >> well, martin, it would obviously hit...
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tax the rich first. obama, if he got his taxes on the rich, is still $8 trillion short over the next decade. that's where the energy taxes he's going to present and the value added tax that ultimately turns us into a european welfare state only of that can pay for obama's sized government. >> wow. grover, unfortunately we have to leave it there. our discussion of unicorns will continue, i'm sure, at least up until december 31st. thank you for joining us today as always. >> you got it. >> after the break, offer ver ses counteroffer. we will break both down with ezra klein when he joins us next on "now." i gave birth to my daughter on may 18th, five days later, i had a massive heart attack. bayer aspirin was the first thing the emts gave me. now, i'm on a bayer aspirin regimen. [ male announcer ] be sure to talk to your doctor before you begin an aspirin regimen. [ woman ] learn from my story. but proven technologies allow natural gas producers to supply affordable, cleaner energy, while protecting our env
tax the rich first. obama, if he got his taxes on the rich, is still $8 trillion short over the next decade. that's where the energy taxes he's going to present and the value added tax that ultimately turns us into a european welfare state only of that can pay for obama's sized government. >> wow. grover, unfortunately we have to leave it there. our discussion of unicorns will continue, i'm sure, at least up until december 31st. thank you for joining us today as always. >> you got...
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taxed. the basic understanding night can taxpayer now, they earned the right to be this cynical, is that whatever is said during these kinds of negotiations, in the end everybody pays. megyn: we have seen so much jockeying in washington back and forth between the white house and house republicans. eve one offers a deal the other side says is totally unacceptable and a non-starter. president obama just sat down for an interview with bloomberg and says the tax rates -- the republicans say don't raise rates. but let's close out loopholes and get rid of deductions. all you should care about is how much revenue you are getting. why do you care fit' a rate or deduction. increase the revenue. president obama says no i need rates to go up on the rich. now he's saying rates have to go up. they have to go up on the rich. but then we can talk about lower them again next year. we'll chat. we'll have more time then we can discuss the loopholes abductional earn tough deductions to rates. >> we are 400 day
taxed. the basic understanding night can taxpayer now, they earned the right to be this cynical, is that whatever is said during these kinds of negotiations, in the end everybody pays. megyn: we have seen so much jockeying in washington back and forth between the white house and house republicans. eve one offers a deal the other side says is totally unacceptable and a non-starter. president obama just sat down for an interview with bloomberg and says the tax rates -- the republicans say don't...
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we want to tax the rich with higher tax rates on the rich. we have a dollar difference, a difference in principle. martha: we are hung up on ideology here. if you can get the money one way and it produces a long lasting change to the tax code which both sides say they want, what seems to be the problem? >> reporter: it's ideology. the president one the elect, he says he won it on taxing the rich. he want to win the debate. whether it's the best solutioner to the economy is an entirely different story. this is a political and ideological argument and we'll see who wins. martha: there is a couple ways this could go. one is to land in the middle. you have $800 billion and $1.6 trillion. the other is for one side to say no deal. we'll let you go over the fiscal cliff and we'll see what happens. >> reporter: at the last minute i think there will be a deal. i think republicans will retreat and say okay, you can have higher tax rates but only on people making a half million dollars a year. the president will say, okay, but we'll only discuss -- we'l
we want to tax the rich with higher tax rates on the rich. we have a dollar difference, a difference in principle. martha: we are hung up on ideology here. if you can get the money one way and it produces a long lasting change to the tax code which both sides say they want, what seems to be the problem? >> reporter: it's ideology. the president one the elect, he says he won it on taxing the rich. he want to win the debate. whether it's the best solutioner to the economy is an entirely...
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in a way by getting rid of tax loopholes which they feel rather than raise the tax rates will have less of a negative impact on the economy. at the end i think there will be a little bit of movement on their side possibly raising the dollar income level that we have for that and making so it's a combination of increases as well as loopholes, but, frankly, the president's policy of just trying to punish the rich is what he seems to be interested in is also counterproductive, frankly. >> i saw jason johnson shaking his head no. >> this is not true. they haven't specified what any of these taxes are. they're trying to sell people a bridge and you don't even know where the bridge is going. that's one of the reasons the white house rejected the plan but here is the other reason why the republicans are eventually just going to go along and raise taxes and deal. the most important number in this whole debate is 56. 56% of the public according to a recent poll will blame the republican party in congress if this deal does not get done. they do not need another public relations hit after being sh
in a way by getting rid of tax loopholes which they feel rather than raise the tax rates will have less of a negative impact on the economy. at the end i think there will be a little bit of movement on their side possibly raising the dollar income level that we have for that and making so it's a combination of increases as well as loopholes, but, frankly, the president's policy of just trying to punish the rich is what he seems to be interested in is also counterproductive, frankly. >> i...
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he put on more taxes. he doubled the new taxes and, tax increases. and then he put more spending on the table and new stimulus. that is heading us in the wrong direction. jenna: i'm getting a lightning bolt wires comes into our newsroom when news crosses. apparently the president speaking to bloomberg television moments ago, getting parts of this interview says speaker boehner's proposal on the fiscal cliff is still out of balance. that is a quote the president has given about the letter and the proposal that you sent to capitol hill. realistically, when do you need to get a deal done to avoid the country from going off the fiscal cliff? know there is limited days. >> yes. jenna: when does an actual deal have to be done so it gets through those logistical processes we know need to be done in both the house and the senate? >> the sooner we can get a deal the better. speaker boehner, as i said, he, the day after the election, said, okay, we'll put tax revenue on the table. let's start the negotiations. you know this can be done. president reagan and ti
he put on more taxes. he doubled the new taxes and, tax increases. and then he put more spending on the table and new stimulus. that is heading us in the wrong direction. jenna: i'm getting a lightning bolt wires comes into our newsroom when news crosses. apparently the president speaking to bloomberg television moments ago, getting parts of this interview says speaker boehner's proposal on the fiscal cliff is still out of balance. that is a quote the president has given about the letter and...
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but instead by closing tax loopholes, eliminating tax credits. and also $600 billion in health savings. that's what you'd get from entitlement reform. from reforming medicare, and doing some cuts there under this plan. but compare it to the white house plan, very different than what's on the table there. $1.6 trillion in new taxes. that is two times the amount in the boehner plan, and also, of course, includes increasing those income tax rates for the wealthy. $400 billion to medicare and other entitlements, that's $ 00 billion less than in the speaker's counteroffer and this would force congress to give up its debt limit vote which is a nonstarter for house republicans. the white house saying that boehner counteroffer is nothing new, that it lacks specifics. but i will tell you, zoraida, that one house democratic aid telling cnn that it passed the laugh test. so certainly i guess it could have been worse in some estimations by democrats. >> i suspect some people were laughing. brianna keilar live at the white house for us, thank you. in the next
but instead by closing tax loopholes, eliminating tax credits. and also $600 billion in health savings. that's what you'd get from entitlement reform. from reforming medicare, and doing some cuts there under this plan. but compare it to the white house plan, very different than what's on the table there. $1.6 trillion in new taxes. that is two times the amount in the boehner plan, and also, of course, includes increasing those income tax rates for the wealthy. $400 billion to medicare and other...
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the white house demanding higher tax rates for the top two tax brackets, and the republicans refusing. after rejecting the obama administration proposal last week, house republicans offered an outline for $2.2 trillion in deficit reduction, mostly through spending cuts. and while president obama would not answer questions about the counterproposal -- >> no deal better than a bad deal, sir? >> reporter: -- a senior white house official assailed it as a step backward, saying if republicans do not agree to some higher rates for wealthier taxpayer, the nation will go over the cliff, and the american people will hold the republicans responsible. wall street remains optimistic a deal will be struck. so the lack of progress is not yet resulted in a market plunge. but some economists estimate that because of the uncertainty posed by the fiscal cliff, at least 200,000 fewer jobs have been created this year. the official deadline is december 31st at midnight when the ball drops in times square. the deadline is before that, a week from friday when the house of representatives is scheduled to go
the white house demanding higher tax rates for the top two tax brackets, and the republicans refusing. after rejecting the obama administration proposal last week, house republicans offered an outline for $2.2 trillion in deficit reduction, mostly through spending cuts. and while president obama would not answer questions about the counterproposal -- >> no deal better than a bad deal, sir? >> reporter: -- a senior white house official assailed it as a step backward, saying if...
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number two, talk about the tax reform that will get to rich. or broaden the base of the tax base. including more people paying taxes. this is a joke on top of joke, andly give you this. entitle reform are good ideas. calling the -- >> dana: i thought bush tax cuts only help the rich. i defended that for eight years. >> eric: get greg in here. bob calls this a joke of a joke. republicans suggest $600 billion in more taxes. >> yeah. >> dana: $800 billion. >> eric: sorry. $800 billion. the white house plan is no spending cuts. >> greg: obama calls this balanced approach and this is as balanced as rosanee drunk in an earthquake. people say why do you defend these people? i'm not. you don't compromise on that. that is a stage eating steak or chicken or prairie chicken which we'll talk about later. obama only has a desire to raise taxes on the rich. all you know he wants to do it. run government for eight days and the taxes. the only reason why he is doing that is emotional gratification to feed the left, people he tries to appease. >> kimberly: it's appeas appeasement. >> bob: mostly w
number two, talk about the tax reform that will get to rich. or broaden the base of the tax base. including more people paying taxes. this is a joke on top of joke, andly give you this. entitle reform are good ideas. calling the -- >> dana: i thought bush tax cuts only help the rich. i defended that for eight years. >> eric: get greg in here. bob calls this a joke of a joke. republicans suggest $600 billion in more taxes. >> yeah. >> dana: $800 billion. >> eric:...
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over the next decade and tax reform rather than tax increases, so the republican mandate in the house was a lot clearer than obama's, who spent 86% of the pro-obama ads were trashing romney personally. so he won the right not to be romney but he didn't win the power to impose anything he wants. >> okay. hold that thought. robert, i want you to hold your response until we come back after the break. you've got about two minutes to make this really, really good. [ man ] in hong kong, on my way to the board meeting... anne's tablet called my phone. anne's tablet was chatting with a tablet in sydney... a desktop in zurich... and a telepresence room in brazil. the secure cloud helped us get some numbers from my assistant's pc in new york. and before i reached the top, the board meeting became a congrats we sold the company party. wait til my wife's phone hears about this. [ cellphone vibrating ] [ female announcer ] with cisco at the center, working together has never worked so well. i heard you guys can ship ground for less than the ups store. that's right. i've learned the only way to get
over the next decade and tax reform rather than tax increases, so the republican mandate in the house was a lot clearer than obama's, who spent 86% of the pro-obama ads were trashing romney personally. so he won the right not to be romney but he didn't win the power to impose anything he wants. >> okay. hold that thought. robert, i want you to hold your response until we come back after the break. you've got about two minutes to make this really, really good. [ man ] in hong kong, on my...
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over the next decade and tax reform rather than tax increases, so the republican mandate in the house was a lot clearer than obama's, who spent 86% of the pro-obama ads were trashing romney personally. so he won the right not to be romney but he didn't win the power to impose anything he wants. >> okay. hold that thought. robert, i want you to hold your response until we come back after the break. you've got about two minutes to make this really, really good. our operations are safe and clean for our communities and the environment. we're america's natural gas. but don't just listen to me. listen to these happy progressive customers. i plugged in snapshot, and 30 days later, i was saving big on car insurance. with snapshot, i knew what i could save before i switched to progressive. the better i drive, the more i save. i wish our company had something this cool. you're not filming this, are you? aw! camera shy. snapshot from progressive. test-drive snapshot before you switch. visit progressive.com today. anne's tablet called my phone. anne's tablet was chatting with a tablet in sydney.
over the next decade and tax reform rather than tax increases, so the republican mandate in the house was a lot clearer than obama's, who spent 86% of the pro-obama ads were trashing romney personally. so he won the right not to be romney but he didn't win the power to impose anything he wants. >> okay. hold that thought. robert, i want you to hold your response until we come back after the break. you've got about two minutes to make this really, really good. our operations are safe and...
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over the next decade and tax reform rather than tax increases, so the republican mandate in the house was a lot clearer than obama's, who spent 86% of the pro-obama ads were trashing romney personally. so he won the right not to be romney but he didn't win the power to impose anything he wants. >> okay. hold that thought. robert, i want you to hold your response until we come back after the break. you've got about two minutes to make this really, really good. this december, remember -- m] you can stay in and share something... ♪ ♪ ...or you can get out there with your friends and actually share something. ♪ the lexus december to remember sales event is on, offering some of our best values of the year. this is the pursuit of perfection. a new way to save on your prescriptions. it's the aarp medicarerx saver plus plan from unitedhealthcare. with this plan, you can get copays as low as a dollar through a preferred network pharmacy like walgreens -- where you'll find 8,000 convenient locations. best of all, this plan has the lowest part d premium in the united states -- only $15 a m
over the next decade and tax reform rather than tax increases, so the republican mandate in the house was a lot clearer than obama's, who spent 86% of the pro-obama ads were trashing romney personally. so he won the right not to be romney but he didn't win the power to impose anything he wants. >> okay. hold that thought. robert, i want you to hold your response until we come back after the break. you've got about two minutes to make this really, really good. this december, remember -- m]...
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taxes? guest: i don't think so. i think keeping tax rate with a r is the real question. you can increase revenue without increasing tax rates. honestly, just a more efficient system redistributing investments toward things that generate economic growth. that is something that paul ryan has been a leading advocate of. yeah, i think this is a really smart and good proposal by the speaker, and i was very pleased to see every republican sign off on it. it was not just his name. i hope the white house understands there is unity at the republican leadership table. host: here is a copy of the letter sent to the white house with the signatures of the leadership team including paul ryan. a lot of our callers have talked about the lack of details in this proposal then back which loopholes or deductions do you get rid of? guest: there is an interesting debate and discussion on that. that is for the negotiators. the easiest way to do it would be to cap the dollar amount and let the individual pick and c
taxes? guest: i don't think so. i think keeping tax rate with a r is the real question. you can increase revenue without increasing tax rates. honestly, just a more efficient system redistributing investments toward things that generate economic growth. that is something that paul ryan has been a leading advocate of. yeah, i think this is a really smart and good proposal by the speaker, and i was very pleased to see every republican sign off on it. it was not just his name. i hope the white...
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see the deduction for state income taxes being a tax expendture. when i paid tax to the district of columbia, that is the cost, my cost, of earning that income, and it should be deductible i believe in computing me federal tax income little. it's not deductible. >> host: diane in new hampshire, go ahead. >> guest: good morning. >> host: morning. >> caller: fascinated to hear about the tax. it kills me every year. i'm a small business owner, and my income changes year to year. i can make $80,000 one year, and i can make $60,000 the next, and the next 45. i cannot process what the amt will be. looking at the last return here, made $60,000 and had an amt of $1700, a piggy back. talk about this because i don't consider making $80,000 as a single person and paying 13% of the social security out of and all my other cuts to be a lot of money. >> guest: no, i don't disagree with you at all. the amt is not what you would have designed as a tax -- a way to compute your federal income tax. it is the combination of a reform that was end acted after the need fo
see the deduction for state income taxes being a tax expendture. when i paid tax to the district of columbia, that is the cost, my cost, of earning that income, and it should be deductible i believe in computing me federal tax income little. it's not deductible. >> host: diane in new hampshire, go ahead. >> guest: good morning. >> host: morning. >> caller: fascinated to hear about the tax. it kills me every year. i'm a small business owner, and my income changes year to...
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new hampshire has no income tax, no sales tax. every state around new hampshire, the other new england states have one or the other going into the 1960's, 1970. every state around us added another one. they either added the sales tax or the income tax. with the representation to their people that the other tax would come down and revenue would be effectively used because it would be more effectively collected, especially if they used the sales tax. every one of those state, the revenues haven't gone down, they've gone up dramatically and the income tax has gone up. and the sales tax has gone up and the size of the government has gone up. so from my standpoint, a val added tax is just a way to grossly expand the size of the government. and it does not fix our revenue problems. more importantly than that, just put, where i think this argument ends up, the american people would annihilate any party that taxed -- that cast a national sales tack. the democrat party thinks they're in charge now, and they are. the republican party has do
new hampshire has no income tax, no sales tax. every state around new hampshire, the other new england states have one or the other going into the 1960's, 1970. every state around us added another one. they either added the sales tax or the income tax. with the representation to their people that the other tax would come down and revenue would be effectively used because it would be more effectively collected, especially if they used the sales tax. every one of those state, the revenues haven't...